Sisters Rhulani and Rhandzu of Conza’s Biscuits join The Spirit of Alchemy to share their family’s remarkable journey — a legacy born in Soweto kitchens before dawn and carried through resilience, matriarchal strength, and the magic of a single vanilla biscuit. A moving story of turning adversity into abundance.
Step into the fragrant world of Conza’s Biscuits, a story rooted in Soweto kitchens long before sunrise, where a mother’s love, a timeless recipe, and the unbreakable bond of sisterhood shaped a legacy that continues to rise.
In this inaugural episode of The Spirit of Alchemy, hosts Bobby and Rehema sit with sisters Rhulani and Randzu, whose journey uncovers the poetic truth of entrepreneurship: that the most powerful stories begin in ordinary moments, carried forward by extraordinary women.
Together, they explore:
• The matriarchal foundation that gave life to Conza’s Biscuits
• Growing up in the rhythm of early-morning baking and informal trade
• How sisterhood became their greatest business strength
• Fires that forged resilience: financial loss, displacement, sabotage, and rebuilding
• The creation of a reseller network empowering more than 50 families
• Their mother’s enduring influence and the legacy she passed on
• Dreams of taking Soweto’s vanilla biscuit to the world
Through laughter, truth, and deeply personal reflection, the sisters share how a single product can hold memory, meaning, and possibility. Their story is a testament to turning adversity into abundance, and transforming the ordinary into the extraordinary.
Connect with Conza’s Biscuits:
Website: https://conzasbiscuits.co.za/
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Bobby:Good morning, and welcome to the inaugural podcast of The Spirit of Alchemy. Um, I'm a co-host. My name is Bobby, and this is
Rehema: Rehema
Bobby: And the show is all about, well, as the name suggests, the spirit of alchemy. But what I'm gonna do is just share with y ou what most people's best friends would say if you go and chat gpt it. The spirit of alchemy, uh, is here to convey the transformation, the creativity, and turning the ordinary into something extraordinary, whether in business, personal growth, or even baking. Like how simple ingredients become something magical.
Rehema: Something magical. Often we hear about businesses and we tend to hear about them at a point in time. There are, the reality is th at businesses take a long time to come about. What's exciting me about today's guest? Is the reality is that their business started before them. So already in the year 2025, we are starting to have a conversation about succession. We're having a conversation about a business that has transcended time and has passed on from mother to daughter. Great wisdom, it is said, is passed on through matrilineal. Matrilineal lines. So I'm excited to have women in the room with us today talking about their business, talking about the history of the business, talking about the direction of the business, talking about why their business is relevant in 2025, and also understanding the heart and soul of who makes Conza's biscuits. Ladies, welcome to the Spirit of Alchemy.
Randzo: Thank you. Thank you so much for welcoming. Thank you, Rehema. Thank you for having us.
Bobby: Lovely to have you.
Rehema: Lovely to have you. So we have met you, but the audience has no idea who you are, and so I know that at the beginning, I was introduced to Rhulani and Randzo. So I'm just gonna give you a brief opportunity to introduce yourselves, um, in the context so that you are here, whether or not your sisters, cousins, aunties because in Africa, right?
Rhulani and Randzo: Yeah.
Rehema: It's not necessarily just one line that says this is a sister. So we just wanna understand what your family ties are and what your relationship with Conza’s Business and give us a sense of the history. So let's take it, who is Rhu and who is Randz?
Rhulani: I like that. Thank you so much once again for the opportunity. So my name is Rhulani Chauke and, uh. She'll introduce herself. So I'm the director at Conza’s Biscuits. So my, um, responsibility is to just run the behind the scenes of the business. So basically the corporate structure of the business from strategy, finance, logistics, supply chain, customer service, the whole works.
So the business is 21 years old. Um, this year it was started by my mom back in the day, but the recipe isn't; it's a family recipe from way, way, way back. So what we do, we manufacture vanilla biscuits. We don't manufacture anything else. We don't do scones, we don't do cakes or anything. We manufacture vanilla biscuits. We wanted to make sure that we perfect this. And how we distribute our biscuits is through stores. So we've got a couple of stores which is, uh, select Pick ‘n Pays, Spars, and this actually last year we got a contract with BP Southern Africa. And, uh, we supply most of their BP expresses. What they're doing is revamping their sites and part of the offer is. That a customer gets to experience a localised product, that's where we come in. So we've got a gondola in at most of the BP service stations. And also we recently, um, got a um, deal as well with Total Energies as well. And also the lovely biscuits that you're seeing over here, they are Wild bean Cafe biscuit. Individually wrapped biscuits as well. So whenever you go to a BP Express or a Pick n’ Pay express, you'll have an opportunity of indulging in our biscuits when you buy a hot beverage.
Bobby: I wanna just jump in here. These biscuits look absolutely amazing.
Rehema: Yeah.
Bobby: The only problem with them is that they are individually wrapped in their inboxes. I can't eat any. I know, but that's cool. Right now we, we'll indulge later in with them.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: Just in, it's, it is Conza’s biscuits. It's the story of your biscuits.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: Um, just can you maybe just share with us, I mean, it's a beautiful story.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Bobby: But just the business, the story of the business. The business. What is, what does that just. That little storyline look like?
Rhulani: Yeah. So basically the business, what we do on a day-to-day, uh, basis is we have a very rigid processing system to ensure that we get these on the shelf as soon as possible. So our idea is that this should remind you of, or it actually does, it reminds you of your mom, which reminds you of your grandmother. We want to give that nurse that nostalgic feeling to our customers, and we want to ensure that this style of biscuit is available on the shelf whenever you need it. So the purpose of this is whenever you've got a gathering, whenever there's like a wedding, a funeral, or a big gathering, you need to be able to get, um something sweet that connects people, you know, and that's where we come in. So it's artisanal style type of biscuits. So we've got a process. Uh, we work from Monday to Friday, sometimes we've got Saturdays as well, and we've got shifts. And the people that we work with, uh, we give the youth an opportunity to come in and work with us, most of them, they're single moms. They, um, you know, coming from really poor backgrounds. So what we do is there's not a lot of, um, intellectual work that needs to come in here. It's all about hands, you know, so they come in, everything is handmade. So we've got, uh, I think we've make about eight batches. We've got a capacity of multiplying that. So make about. We make around 12,000 cookies a day and we've got capacity to actually double that. And since we came to this, um, space, which is called, which is WorkPods, we've been, we've managed to actually double and actually get more business, um, at Conza’s Biscuits. So I'll give Randzo an opportunity to speak more about that.
Rehema: I'll tell you what you're sounding like. I'm listening to it. I'm like, this girl's been going to pitches. She's been telling people about her production capacity. Yeah. She's been telling people that we can do it. This is a product. You should be eating it. You're sitting there and I'm sitting there like this girl has been, have you been in pitches quite a bit recently?
Rhulani: Yes, I have. I have. 'cause what I do is I sell my, my trade is selling. Just come in and just come in ready to sell.
Rehema: Girl. Thank you. We love your biscuits. Thank you. We are sold on your biscuits. Right?
Rhulani: Thank you so much.
Rehema: And, and I appreciate you providing, um, that perspective of, you know, a, a fully functioning operational unit. Right? That is not only, um, available is not only servicing an existing market, but it's servicing a growing market. You're also speaking about the sophistication of the market that you're servicing, which is really around the convenience, eating, buying, and also in fast, in fast food, because that's where you're finding all these totals and bps, they are eating on the go. So you're saying to us that you have a product that is servicing a market that's on the go and you're good to go and you're ready for it.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Rehema: I think we wanna take another SL to this business around the heart and soul. Is this where you're coming in, Bobby?
Bobby: We it, we do. Um. What I love about what I'm hearing is, yeah, I agree with you. Um, we are sitting with Rhu you've clearly been in the pitch side of things and what I'm getting, and this is just without a question of a doubt, you've got an absolutely delicious product.
Rhulani: Thank you.
Bobby: It's a family recipe that has enabled a business to start from nothing to grow generationally. Yeah. Um, you have now expanded that into a formal premises.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Bobby: Your business expanded, you're employing people.
Rhulani and Randzo: Mm-hmm.
Bobby: Uh, you've got a very happy space. You're setting the world a light. And you won the MTN Small Business of the Year award last year, which is fantastic. Amidst a lot of competition. So you guys are rock stars in terms of business and what you're doing and it seems to be, it's not, it seems to be. There definitely is a, it's a family, a family trade, so that's absolutely awesome. So you've, you've grown up in this environment of business and baking and all this kind of stuff. Um, but you are sisters?
Randzo: Yes.
Rhulani: Yes we are.
Bobby: Um, and what has that journey been like? There's, there's been the journey of the business and where you are and the accolades and respect and all that, and that is phenomenal but how's it been in real life? You two growing up, mom. Tell us what, what's that experience been like?
Rehema: Who's the older sister? Who's the younger sister
Randzo: Randzo is the older sister
Rhulani: Yeah.
Randzo: So my, my sister has been my partner for life. I cannot imagine a life without Rhulani. I've always been my sister's protector. I've always been my sister's keeper. So we've been like that since we were growing up. We literally are like twins wherever I was. My sister is there, till today. Our, um, schoolmates from back in the day. So I matriculated 20 years ago, but till today when someone meets up with us at a mall, they know behind me Rhulani is coming. Initially, we've had that moment at Melville. This one time. This, this lady, I don't even know her, but I don't know what it is with us. People recognize us even after years and years of seeing us. They're like, I know Rhulani is somewhere. Where is she? Boom, Rhulani came through. So we've been, we've been sisters for life. I cannot imagine life without my sister, and we've been that unit that's connected. I love my sister and I appreciate the fact that I have an opportunity to work with her.
Rehema: What's your age difference?
Randzo: Uh, two years.
Bobby: Okay.
Randzo: It's two years. And it, it's been an amazing journey. I cannot think of running Conza’s biscuits without my sister, with anyone else. Uh, we have that synergy. Um, the love that we have for what we do and the fact that we want to see our mother's legacy. Grow while she's still alive. Keeps us going. So my mother, my mom's resilience, my mom's love and my mom's hardworking skills were instilled at a very early age, uh, into us, both of us. So I've always, so I took my mom's hardworking skills. My sister took my mom's mind blowing mind. My mom is a very intelligent woman. She is smart. That lady is smart, will have a hiccup in the business. As soon as we call mom, she'll come with, with a solution. That's my mom. And right now mom's residing in Limpopo. Mm-hmm. So every day we have these ritual calls. Uh, we update her about the business because obviously she's not here, but because we're running it forward with the business every day, we keep her up to date about what's going on, new developments and all of that. So mom, yeah, mom is always there giving us advice. She's, she'll never stop. But at the end of the day, we all die to my mom, we’re still, those babies. So she can't stop.
Bobby: No, but that's awesome. Yeah. But, um, let's, let's bring your mom in here because you brought a photograph. A photo of her. Oh. And she can't be, she can't be here in person, mama. So, um. There's mom, mom's.
Rhulani: Yes. There's mommy
Bobby: Who's started an amazing business. Yes. And you guys are taking on as a legacy. Do you wanna, let, let's put this here behind the 702 awards.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: So she can be with us and just make sure know, I mean, make sure that you guys tell us all the stuff that is right.
Rhulani and Randzo: Yes. Yes.
Bobby: So this is a real true family success story. Passing on of a legacy. Picking up by my own two daughters who are joined to the hip, who, I mean, you can just see the energy between the two of you.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: Which is, it's often not there within families. But that's how you've grown up. So that is amazing. Yeah. Um, I want to jump into, um, you know, the stories that you've, how you've got to where you are. Yes. You've shared the business, you've shared a bit about the sisters and growing up. Um, I just wanna read a statement to you.
Rhulani: Okay.
Bobby: Okay. And let's pretend I'm technically astute. I'm gonna use my phone please. Um, this sort of came up for me in one of my little readings. Okay. It's a statement.
Randzo: Mm-hmm.
Bobby: “If you never learn the language of gratitude, you'll never be on speaking terms with happiness.”
Rhulani and Randzo: Hmm. True.
Bobby: So what I would like you guys to share is, just looking back in your journey in the business as sisters, there are always moments, great moments that we could or should be grateful for, that we maybe aren't at the time, dunno about, but what stands out for you? Maybe two, three. Like what are the maybe moments? What, what are the moments of joy or the moments where this was like a turning point that you can remember that you're grateful for that happened to you in your journey?
Rhulani: Well, um, if I can just take it back a little bit. I always like to preface this like imagine. The two little girls growing up, um, it's 4:00 AM your mom has been baking since like 12:00 AM You are hearing the sound of pans and ovens and the heat and the smell of vanilla biscuits. And her waking up in the, or us actually waking up in the morning preparing for school, getting a little bit irritated that the house is a bit of a mess and we have to clean up and help this lady with her biscuits, so that she can give us money to go to school, but she's also preparing herself to go and sell at a taxi rank and us not really taking that seriously because it, it's there, and then you fast forward to around 20 years when you get like an award and you see that this thing is actually serious. You know, it's, it's like a big thing. It's a big deal. We are actually, it's a story that is being told whilst we are busy, like we're whilst we are alive. So the gratitude comes in, this is a very simple product. It's a biscuit. But this biscuit has been able to support more than 50 people, 'cause um, part of what we do is reseller programs. Yeah. Where we give people an opportunity and we also guide them on how to sell. So we do white labeling. You come in, you buy this, and then you just slap on your own label and you sell. So we are very, we are very grateful for that, and we are realizing that this will actually outlive us and it would definitely outlive our mom. I'm grateful for the fact that my mom never gave up 'cause actually never had a choice anyway, because she had to feed us. She had an immediate need of these two kids, wanting to eat at night or wanting to be warm in winter. And the only thing that she had was this. And by the way, my mom also had other businesses in the past, so we grew up around that, um, environment. So I'm very grateful that my mom did not give up and we also did not give up on her as well. And at some point, it started clicking when we worked. Older that, oh, that's why she had to do this, or that's why she had to perfect the recipe. So for me, I, I think I'm grateful for that fact. Um, as cliche as it sounds, whenever you see somebody else get help, um, through you, that's when it actually makes sense. That's when, that's where the gratitude comes in when someone says, oh my goodness. I was in the dark and these biscuits helped me come out, you know? And bulk of our resellers as well are women. Yeah. For some reason. Yeah. You know, and then we've got to understand, once you give a woman an opportunity to be economically independent, it changes everybody's lives from the child, to a grandmother, to the uncle, to somebody in the community. When a woman is empowered. Nothing wrong with the man, but like when a woman is empowered, a lot of, um, aspects in society change. So for me, that's the gratitude. I'm glad that I went to school so that I can come back and be able to assist my family. I don't know about you sis. What, what, what comes out for you in terms of gratitude?
Randzo: Um, in terms of gratitude, I'm grateful that my mom, who hated baking. She hated it. Funny enough. Um, I'm grateful that she explored this. Mm-hmm. And then today it's feeding us and a whole lot of other people. Yeah. I'm grateful for my mom's stubbornness. I'm grateful for my mom's resilience. That woman, she's stubborn. My mom is stubborn. Mm-hmm. Like, and, and she's stubborn for the right reasons. Mm-hmm. Like she'll tell you, you know what? I don't understand why you're selling these biscuits for a hundred grand. Yeah, “give the people the biscuits”. That's my mom. “Give the people the biscuits” and through that, so we come from, I come from a retail background, so I've always been profits, uh, um, driven, driven. That is like, ma we can't, we work, we work very hard. Will we work for long hours? We stand for long hours. It's a lot of labor that goes into making the cookies. Uh, we cannot sell these at almost next to nothing. Mm-hmm. And my mom's just like, what's your profit margin?
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: You know, my sister will tell her, okay, we are making this much. And so like, give the people the biscuits. They'll come back, give the people the biscuits and they'll come back. And true to that, they've been coming back throughout the years. Uh, when mom was selling it, at the taxi rank, till today, that customer from way back in 2004 is still our customer till today because of my mom's guidance and my mom's stubbornness. So I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for the fact that today I, I don't have to answer to anyone but myself. Um, because that's the whole goal. I, I think people, yeah. I think when people are into business, the whole point is to run their own thing. Uh, be an entrepreneur and not have to have a nagging boss behind you, you know? So being your own boss is the ultimate goal. So I'm grateful today that I'm doing that and I'm doing that with my lovely sister.
Bobby: No, that's, that's amazing. I, I think, you know, it's incredible. The sort of, the, the gratitude all comes back to. A biscuit.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Bobby: Um, and you said something about the biscuits feeding people.
Rhulani: Yes, yes.
Bobby: But it's not the biscuits feeding people only. It's the business you've created that is feeding. All these, all your, your staff. Your resellers. That's, that's a, that's a, that's, that's an, that's an amazing story. But then the gratitude there and also obviously the huge gratitude for your mom. That is, she's done a lot for you there. She has a lot. I mean, that's, that is, that is, that's amazing.
Rhulani: Yeah. Yeah. And, and we are not making losses. By the way, um, as Ranz was saying, my mom is like, give them, give them, you know, because it, it's all about bulk. We, I got to understand, oh, okay, bulk selling, that's what we need to actually focus on. But she was like, you are marketing yourself by making sure that you feed the people the biscuits, almost like at a very affordable rate. You'll see them coming back because once they hooked, they need to come back to you and then you can start. Scaling up or increasing the prices after that, you know, because these people, they have nowhere else to go. And not to say this is like super, super unique. Of course you can find these biscuits, I mean, other recipes or whatever. But then I can stand here and say, ours is super unique. Um, you know, yes, we use flour, yes, we use all sorts of ingredients that you can find on the shelf, but, uh, this is actually, it's, it's very, it's very spiritual, right? Um, because. What keeps happening or what we keep attracting is bigger than us. I mean, I used to work for BP, um, but how BP came back or circled back, they heard us on the radio and somebody else that used to work elsewhere heard us on the radio and then they were like, oh, okay, we are revamping a BP Barra site and these people are saying their mom used to sell at Barra, let me call them up. And then we connected. It literally was pure coincidence and because of that, it calls other. Other aspects as well. Yeah. And the township, township, uh, um, customers also love this. You know, 'cause we also had kiosks as well. I can talk for so many, many hours about this. Yeah. But it's more than us. It's beyond. It's beyond us. It's bigger than us and yeah. Yeah. That's why I always say it will outlive us.
Randzo: I mean besides, besides feeding people the biscuits, I think what we are trying to do within the market space is to bring convenience of a homemade biscuit on the shelf. Um, a lot of people will tell you when we have, uh, weddings or funerals. We have to place an order somewhere and wait for the biscuits to be made or those scones to be made. What we want to do is to bring that five liter, 10 liter, 20 liter bucket on the shelf. You don't have to order, you just literally go to BP Barra site and you buy that bucket and you're good to go.
Rhulani: Yeah. Yeah.
Randzo: So that's what we're trying to do and it seems to be working.
Bobby: No, it definitely does sound like it's working. Um, well, it does, it doesn't sound like it's working. It is working, yeah. Which is amazing. It's, and that's an amazing, you've touched on quite a lot, little nice little nuggets in terms of, you know, from a customer's point of view, from, um, having a, a product that is almost your mom paid it forward. And then, you know, so you get back mm-hmm. That's the way the universe works. What if you put out there, you're getting back a whole lot, you know, it responds. That sort of frequency comes back to you. But the gratitude for things that, um, I often find that, um, you know, as a, as a parent. Um, and I'm sure you've had the same thought. When your kids are growing up, you like look at them and think one day you're gonna be grateful for all the stuff I've gone through, you know, to actually get you to. Through school, through university, through whatever. Um, and there's obviously a point in time when, I mean, you guys have just expressed it. I'm sure your mom's exceptionally proud of you, of you two of her beautiful daughters, um, as anyone would be. But, um. It is that point in time when you do become grateful. And I never know when it is. You guys have expressed it really well. And there's no doubt about it. Um, and often people think about gratitude in terms of things that go well, and I'm grateful for this and this and this. But there are a lot of hard times in life. We really like horrible, difficult things happen, um, which I think we need to be equally grateful for because those are the lessons that you remember, you don't really remember. The, the good times. Anyone can have good times. Anyone can but it's hard to get to those good times. Yes. So it's, it's the up and down. So, so what are the, you might not have thought about them, but where have you been thrown in the fire? What have, what have been hard moments for you that you are grateful for? In hindsight? What have been your big learnings as sisters, growing up in environment, in an entrepreneurial environment where, you know, the waking up at four in the morning and you know, what you've just painted is, there's a very happy ending. But what were the really hard points that you actually had to dig deep and say, I'm holding in here. Ah, you know, it's, it's, yeah. It's been defining for you guys business wise
Randzo: The fire of the lava.
Rhulani: Yeah
Rehema: I was laughing because they looked like there was a bit of censoring going on there. Difference something. There's a censoring that happened there. I dunno if it's a too soon moment.
Randzo: No, through the, I'll start way back. Rhulani will elaborate more with what's happening currently in the business. But, um, one of the things that I remember that we. It was a very difficult time, uh, when we were starting informally with mom. So because mom used to sell it, BP Barra, uh, mom would wake up every day and go and prepare to go sell. The issue was, uh, being chased out of the streets 'cause of the municipalities and traffic cops. They did not want hawkers, but we did not have any other space to sell.
Rehema: Bylaws?
Rhulani and Randzo: Bylaws. You know what I mean? Yeah. So there was always that and. What hurt the most was my mom has been baking since 12:00 AM until 6:00 AM and half of that stock has been taken away. We have to come back with almost nothing. We have to start again. We've been doing that for quite some time until my sister and I were like, you know what? No mom has been doing this for too long. Let's, let's just take over. You know, so one of those things that memory for me can never, I can never erase that in my mind. The, we, we had, we used to have a trailer and we'd make sure that I'm ready whenever there's, there was always a signal that, “Mapolisa” and I knew that I needed to go jump in the car, hook the trailer, and put everything back inside so that we can run away. So those things kind of prepared you in terms of “what do we need to do to be able to sell?”. We did not know those things, but that was preparing you to understand later on what compliance means in the food business. So one of the fires that we had to go through was there. For me, and that's just part of it. And there's a whole lot. Rhulani will elaborate but there's a whole lot. But for me, going back, it was that, that was, that's been entrenched in our, in our story, you know? And it won't leave us anytime soon. And we get to understand when we pass Barra mall, or we pass wherever in the, in the townships and just see people selling, like, I know how difficult that is. Hopefully with that person's patience and strength and whatever it is, they'll come out and be someone better.
Bobby: Yeah. So what's, what's really, um, what I like about that story is that life is going to deal you a horrible hand.
Rhulani and Randzo: Yes.
Bobby: Um, unfair for whatever reason. Yeah. But, and that's gonna happen to every entrepreneur, every journey.
Rhulani and Randzo: Yeah. Yes.
Bobby: Um, but it's how you take it on board. You can sit. And just cry and weep that the metro have come and confiscated your product. Um, alternatively you can say, okay, I've gotta be smarter than them. I've gotta work hard. I've gotta dodge and. How do I become compliant? So you always, you know, where there's the obstacle, there's a way around it
Randzo: Always.
Bobby: And that's, I think that's really important that, you know, that's, that's an understanding of challenges. That's why they get thrown to us.
Randzo: Yeah.
Bobby: But, um, yeah, that's, that's really awesome. But yeah, from your side?
Rhulani: There's of, of course there's plenty. And, and, and I say, I mean, I like the fact that this is actually authentic and we are talking about alchemy. Because ultimately that's what it's all about, being an entrepreneur. And also the, I, I think there's a, a number of terms for us. Our parents are entrepreneurs. They've got a ADHD, schizophrenia, uh, you know, a bit of insanity, craziness. And when you look at, it's like, oh, actually, you know what, I, yeah, lemme accept my multiple personalities. But for us, there was one point as well when we were starting to be formal, uh, we were working with, um, one other. Factory. Unfortunately things did not work out for us.
Randzo: Yeah
Rhulani: We were manufacturing our product and, uh, we increased prices immediately with the. You know, um, for stores. And then our product as well. Um, it was not being produced properly. Because there were just chemical fumes over there. And then customers, which is not actually the stores, but the actual consumer. Could see that there's a, could taste that there's a difference. Yeah. So our recipe got compromised. And then we got kicked out of those stores as well, and the man actually said, “I'm going to teach you a lesson, so you are never coming back here.”
Rehema: Who is the man?
Rhulani: The man is one of, one of the, the store owner, right? And he kicked us out and for a good three or four months, we had nothing.
Randzo: Yeah
Rhulani: We lost because we had to recall the products. To recall the products, where to scramble, we had to borrow money and then we had to come back. Um, better. What that taught us was that okay, your compliance needs to be on par. When you increase prices, you don't just slap prices and just increase prices and think it's gonna be okay. And you are not entitled to help as well. People are not gonna feel sorry for you. That lesson was so brilliant and it'll sound something.
Rehema: Were you thinking it's brilliant in the middle of the lesson at the time?
Randzo: No
Rhulani: At the time we were crying at the time, and, and you know, my, my point is for me, I feel like it's gonna sound so funny. You need to go through the hard times. You have to go through the hard times
Rehema: Easier way?
Rhulani: No. You know why? No.
Rehema: Do you have to, I mean, really?
Rhulani: It's very controversial. I know it's very controversial because. The, they're saying diamonds are made, you know, uh, through pressure as well.
Rehema: Mm-hmm.
Rhulani: You need to know how to start from scratch. So if you take me and you put me in Mogadishu, or you put me in the, in the States, I need to be able to restart so we know how to restart. Whenever we don't have anything. So when you are bankrupt, you need to know how to start and sometimes you don't need money. You need this, you need that, and you need a voice. If your story makes sense, then you can get people to come in and invest in you. And that's literally what has happened to us.
Randzo: Yeah.
Rhulani: You need, you need that. You cannot have like, um, readymade type of situation where you come in and then everything just goes in a straight line like this. The time you go through
Bobby: No, you go through the fires, you get forged. You, you have to, as diamonds, you know, get polished.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Bobby: But, so this is another thing. So the one of the obstacles or hardships you experienced was external to you?
Randzo: Yeah.
Bobby: A business. It was metro, it was bylaws, it was something like that. And that's always gonna happen in everybody's life. There's something going on out there that's just gonna.
Randzo: Yeah.
Bobby: There’s gonna be a wave that just comes and dumps on you.
Randzo: Yeah.
Bobby: But your issue was, this was internal to the business.
Randzo: Yeah.
Rhulani: Yes
Bobby: This was something within your control
Randzo: Yes
Bobby: That you messed up or allowed to be messed up
Randzo: Yeah.
Bobby: Um, and you were knocked out into touch
Randzo: Yeah.
Bobby: And you didn't go running away. You said, okay, let's fix what we did wrong.
Rhulani: Yes. Mm-hmm.
Bobby: And that happens so much as well. Where people try and then fail, but then they dunno how to stand up again. And I like what you've just said about You know, going to Mogadishu anyway in the states and, and starting, but um, just remember: When you get knocked down and you stand up again.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Bobby: Each time you’re, you stand up. You're not starting anew.
Randzo: Mm-hmm.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Bobby: You're starting with experiences of what did work, what didn't work. So you're becoming stronger and stronger and stronger. And that's really, I mean, in what I love about entrepreneurs journeys, and if you read any books about entrepreneurs, the biggest learnings are from their failures.
Rhulani and Randzo: Yes
It's not from their successes.
Rhulani and Randzo: No.
Bobby: Um, but. Also it's like respected that you've been there, you've got the t-shirt.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Bobby: And there are all different debates we can have around in this country that, uh, this country, banks will, they view any failure as a disaster. Like I want, I want the people that have failed to been there, done that because they know how to do stuff a whole lot better. And I mean, thanks for sharing that, because that's just being, that's like, Hey, we messed up. Life messed us up. We came back, we messed ourselves up. We came back. And I mean, those are, those are learnings that. Need to be, you know, what has to be grateful for as well, because in hindsight, they've made you who you are.
Rhulani: I'm gonna add as well, because it makes you humble.
Rehema: What does that mean, what does that look like?
Rhulani: For, I think for me, you get, for example, you get an award. And then you start riding the wave. Oh, I'm great. I'm good at this. You know, you start relaxing a little bit or you over-hype yourself. We learn, we are learning a lot about being humble.
Randzo: Yeah.
Rhulani: Be, and, and not to take away from obviously the successes of our business, but how humility makes us have a, um, I'm looking for a word, but you be, you remain grounded. Always remember that you, you will have a peak, but then you'll also have a slump. So the hump, the the, the humility comes in. Let's always make sure we never forget the purpose. Make sure that your systems and your processes are always right and always prepare for when you have a slump, because it's very easy to forget that you will at some point, and it, it'll come in different shapes or forms, personally, spiritually, wherever you might lose money, relationships, you know
Randzo: And we've lost a lot of money.
Rhulani: We've, we've lost a lot of it.
Rehema: Why? And you say that like it was par for the course. What do you mean? Why did you lose money? What do you mean?
Rhulani: My retirement fund
Randzo: For example, what she's talking about. The, the, the issue with the factor that we were at, it literally that mess up, I think it was two months.
Rhulani: It was two months.
Randzo: It took us two years to recover. Yeah. It literally took us two years to recover. We had to beg. We had to just chill at home and be like, okay, we need to start afresh. Let's plan.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: That meant that it didn't mean that the bills stopped.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: Right. The bills were piling up.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: Did not have money, but all the, the little money that we, we, we got, we needed to invest back into the business because we do not want this to die.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: We do not. Also, part of us is we, we, we don't want to disappoint our mom. Because she's, she's, she's worked so hard to build this.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: Right. So we were like, no Conza’s biscuits can't, it cannot fall.
Rhulani: Mm.
Randzo: We need to keep it up. We need to keep going.
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Randzo: No matter how bleak it looks, we need to keep going.
Rhulani: Yes.
Randzo: So anything, the funny, uh, one of the parts of how Conza’s was built is people don't know. They think they'll think we were funded. 90% of the business was self-funded.
Rhulani: Self-funded.
Randzo: That's where the retirement fund also comes.
Rhulani: My retirement fund, because I worked, I think I worked for a good nine years. Um, and, um, all the time, I mean, even before, uh, I, I quit my job, um, I would always like give back into the family, give back, give back, yeah. All the time. So when I live. I had told myself that I'm just gonna help out for three months and then I'll go back into the, you know, um, into the corporate field. And it's been six years. So we were working at the malls, we were selling at the, at the kiosks. And we didn't realize that there's an, there's a rental amount and there's also the exhibition amount as well.
Randzo: Yeah.
Rhulani: So we find ourselves having to pay like eight grand, a week, you know? Yes we'd make the money, but then that was not sustainable. That was not the only part where we lost money with the recall. We lost money. Also another one that we don't talk about that often working with people, employees as well. 'cause you only understand when you experience the person that this is actually not a good fit. We've had issues with employees, even ourselves.
Randzo: Yeah.
Rhulani: We've had issues where we uh, you know, there's monthend you need to make payments or people don't pitch up or people sabotage your product as well, you know.
Rehema: What does that mean?
Rhulani: Product sabotage, burnt cookies. Burnt cookies or don't measure. You don't measure the weight of the cookies and by law you need to measure the gram of the, you know, the cookies.
Randzo: Just not following processing, processes in the kitchen.
Rhulani: People absconding, stealing.
Rehema: Ignorance or deliberate?
Rhulani and Randzo: Both. Both.
Rhulani: We've had that. Both. We've had sabotages from relationships as well. You know, we don't talk about that.
Rehema: What does that look like? What do you mean?
Rhulani: So theres this thing that happens, and I'm not so sure if it's across the board, but when you are a independent or almost like, um, a business woman that is black. And uh, you also have this relationship that you have to maintain because there's always a hierarchy. And I don't know if it's 'cause of the way we grew up, but there's that oppression of the woman. And if you are in economically independent, there's that issue.
Randzo: Friction.
Rehema: Yeah.
Rhulani: Tension, right? And maybe your man at the time does not know how to handle that. Or maybe you are making a mistake and he thinks, oh, okay. You are buying yourself a, I don't know. You are paying your own rent, so you don't need me.
Rehema: That requires a whole episode.
Bobby: It does. It does.
Rhulani: It's a whole era.
Rehema: It's a lot and in terms of how it actually manifests
Randzo: People don't wanna talk about that, like you're saying, it's a whole other episode. But yeah, it, it really does affect your business to a very, a greater extent.
Bobby: But how, how do you, you know, say if you're allowed, because, you know, all these things are, um, what you're speaking about. There's, you know, we all grew up with conditioning. Yes. Ancestral, parental, friends, family, society, all that type of stuff. Um, and then we are a frame of reference in terms of what life should be like is conditioned into us.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: So now you just spoke about, you know, you brought to be oppressed and all this kind of
Rehema: Yes. But now you rocking that boat, you're changing that narrative. And now, um, the issue comes in where it's all around this ego of who's right. You know? Do I have, do you have to be wrong for me to be right This and da da. But you just said like, how do you take on that story? How do you Yeah. How have you risen above those challenges? Yeah. Where it's, you're still feeling good and empowered and Yeah. Hey, I'm, I've got this.
Randzo: You know, with us, I think it's, this is easier for me and Rhulani because we've always had matriarchs in the family. Uh, my grandmother used to run a business. She was at the forefront even though my grandfather was there, but my grandmother used to run things around the house. She used have a Spaza at some point she sell clothes, anything. But Gran was the one who started that. And then mom came along. The point of reference that we have, me and Rhulani, the most successful woman that we've seen in our lives are mom.
Bobby: That's amazing, that's amazing.
Randzo: For, for us it was, it's very easy to also now drive, be able to drive something that we put our hands on, you know? So, um, I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing. Um, when you have a partner, you come across as a very powerful and independent person. You know, and some men can't handle that, unfortunately, and I'm not gonna sit here and bash men. I'm like, “Hey, men can't handle women” it just depends on what kind of men you have in your life. There are men who can drive their woman to greater heights. Like, Hey man, I'm gonna support you. You know, there's this saying that says, behind every successful man is a woman.
Rehema: A woman.
Rhulani: Yeah.
Randzo: Right. But I would like to believe that also with successful women, there are men that do support their women. You did mention about conditioning. I think the society also conditions how we should think. A man is supporting a woman, he's weak. This one. Why is he letting this woman be? But they don't know that, you know, when you let her win, we all win.
Bobby and Rehema: Yeah.
Randzo: You know what I mean? So with us, we've always had. A stand front of a woman in front of us who's running the whole thing. So for us it was easy. It's easy to tackle life like that. I'm not saying it, it's always easy.
Bobby: So you, you stepped into a role model's shoes.
Randzo and Rhulani: Yes. Yes.
Bobby: And you, you've lived like, that, you, you kind of, almost, almost a sense part of your conditioning is, you know how to deal with this.
Randzo: Yes.
Bobby: Um, so your challenge is going to be to, to find the soulmates.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: If you do or don't have it. That support.
Randzo and Rhulani: Yeah.
Bobby: It needs to be support for you as a human being, setting a world of light. Yes. Without the, are you earning more money than me?
Randzo and Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: You feel inadequate, whatever it might be. But that is a whole separate, it's a whole is a, that is a whole separate conversation.
Randzo and Rhulani: Yes.
Rehema: What I'm liking about it though is the ability to say that our conversations are nuanced. Right. It is not linear.
Randzo and Rhulani: Yeah.
Rehema: And we need to bring these into the conversations we're having. It's your lived reality.
Randzo and Rhulani: Yeah.
Rehema: So this is not a framing of, um, society's response to a situation saying, in my world
Randzo and Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Rehema: In my world, this has had an impact. Sabotage has been professional, it's been personal. Personal relationships have come into play. I think as I'm listening to you, I'm also reflecting on some of the data points, um, that even 20 years ago were, were, were, were resonating. Yeah. Around women and entrepreneurship. So I am gonna slant towards that because a lot of my studies, a lot of my work history has been about what is the nuances of women in entrepreneurship and, and I think that I'm sitting here and I'm very excited. I'm excited because 20 years ago, and I haven't interacted with the data much in the most recent years, we were talking about majority of women in entrepreneurship. Given that title, and what you've beautifully said is that it's existed before we popularised the language, right?
Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Rehema:And so, women in entrepreneurship, we were classified particularly in Africa as needs based.
Randzo: Yes.
Rehema: And so basically servicing, um, this requirement to support the family. To provide the family. And so you're giving us a narrative around that needs based being around putting food on the table. Beautifully brought into the conversation the reality of the complexities of working where there are laws that govern. How this happens and how it compromises, particularly those who are depending on those platforms and spaces. And I always say that entrepreneurship for a lot of people is, is it's, it's, it can never just be about you because there's so much about the ecosystem. That needs to come in. So you playing a dual role of providing, and you said it beautifully, a simple product, vanilla biscuits. That's it.
Randzo and Rhulani: That's it.
Rehema: Right? That's it, yeah. But even in providing that with clarity, that simple, singular product, understanding, there's an ecosystem that makes it work. And I think we have that dual responsibility of always being, I'm providing a biscuit, but I need to educate the ecosystem. There's always an education and awareness. And so beyond your needs based entrepreneur, you then come into your lifestyle, which I'm hearing from you. You made me smile. I tell you why. I tell you why you made me smile. My daughter, when we started the, the food business, we were drying, we were drying spinach in the kitchen and my daughter was, “I wake up to spinach, I go to bed, to spinach”.
Bobby: Exactly. Exactly the same story.
Rehema: Exactly the same story.
Bobby: I'd rather wake up to biscuits though than dried spinach.
Randzo: Yeah, I know. We can resonate.
Rehema: We can resonate right? And so when you grounded in the words of gratitude, I think it's incredibly powerful because we do have persuasive narratives about entrepreneurship and the endpoint, we don't go into the families. I know that we were able to get here because of the family.
Rhulani: Yes.
Rehema: And that there is a family sacrifice. There is a family contribution to where you're going, whether it's your mother, your father, your husband, your wife, your children. You are able to do it because the family is allowing you to bring that space. Whereas in corporate you kind of like go away and then come back.
Randzo and Rhulani: Yeah. Yeah.
Rehema: But when you're an entrepreneur, your family bears the brunt of your wishes, your desires, your dreams, your vision. And speaking about the tenacity of your mother, her ability, I think my kids think I'm extremely stubborn.
Randzo and Rhulani: It works, trust the end.
Rehema: There's so many. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Go for it.
Rhulani: Thank you. I think with us, the weird part, if I, if I'm allowed to say we did not have external family support, I think that's why we are so close. So it's literally the three of us. Me, the three of us. Mom, mom, lanzo, and then yes, I've got, um, nieces and nephew and everything, but cousins, uncles, you know, even grandparents. No, we did not have that. It even contributed in a to, I mean, our living situations, I think we've moved more. More than 20 times. To being displaced.
Rehema: What does that mean? What do you mean?
Rhulani: Meaning my mom did not have a house. Okay. Growing up. So we're renting. So we knew, okay. She'll tell us maybe after a year, ah, now we're gonna move to this place. Now we're gonna move to this place. Now I'm gonna move to that place. At the time it was very painful. I can imagine. We cannot keep friends. We cannot keep an address Mama. But then. Um, we could see obviously her struggles and all. She had obviously was like informal business.
Rehema: Yeah.
Rhulani: She did not have even a formal education 'cause she was not allowed 'cause she was the only female amongst, uh, four siblings for, uh, yeah. So she was the only, you know, uh, um, she was the only female and her allies. Unfortunately, my, my two uncles passed away when we were very young and she was also young, so she was just displaced. I mean, something that was happening in the family and I just have to talk about that. But the beauty of that is that we know how to adapt. We can adapt very easily to different environments we've lived in. I mean, really, really terrible environments.
Rehema: Your expressions are priceless girl. Tell me more.
Randzo: I always tell my sister, I'm like, I wish people could experience this side of you. So funny.
Rehema: Where she's not giving you her picture.
Randzo: She's so funny.
Bobby: I, I wanna, I wanna jump in here. We, we are running outta time, unfortunately, no. Um, we carry on and, you know, I, I, I want to, I mean, just like a lot of respect to you guys in terms of your mom and you guys and what you've been through. I think there's a lot more to unpack in terms of your journey, a lot more that people would like to hear from you. So I mean, well this is gonna be published and we do hope a lot of people leave comments that we can then engage with and interact with. But sort of before wrapping up, um. You know, you've shared the story of, of where you've come from and, and your background and all that kind stuff, but entrepreneurs are part of being an alchemist. It's, you know, we are all the storytellers of our own lives.
Randzo: Yes.
Bobby: We create the story that we wanna live in. Um, maybe as a parting, but I would like you guys to share, what is the story of Conza’s Biscuits going forward? You've taken. A story that's evolved. You've been part of it, you've been an integral part, you've been living in this story.
Randzo and Rhulani: Mm-hmm.
Bobby: But for you guys. You, you are looking to the future. You are looking to take Conza’s biscuits to where, what is that story for Conza’s biscuits that business look like that you want to live in and share with us the reality you want to be creating going forward?
Randzo: Yeah. I, I'll start. She, she's a great finisher. So, but I, we, Conza’s biscuits, we literally want to be, so it's Conza’s biscuits in Soweto 'cause that's where it started. But we want to be Conza’s Biscuits in South Africa. Conza’s Biscuits in Mogadishu like she said, Conza’s biscuits in India. We want to penetrate the world. With our, with our beautiful biscuits. Um, you can go to Switzerland and be like, ah, but I've had a short bread, it's also nice, but our story is of resilience and how we, where we come from. Um, not a lot of young black girls that come from Soweto are given a chance to make it out there. We want to be those girls and we want to penetrate the world. Literally.
Rhulani: Yes.
Randzo: Yeah. We want to bring that convenience and from the shelf to the world. That's what we want from Conza’s biscuits.
Rhulani: Yeah, I always make an example about like Coca-Cola, if I can mention them. Uh, you know, Coca-Cola, that that black liquid runs the world. You find it everywhere. Um, so we want to be global. That's, that's basically our objective. Um, whether we live to see that, I'm not so sure, but maybe we'll see it spiritually. And another thing is to ensure that through a biscuit you can change your life. We want other people as well, not only corporates. Yes, it's nice for clouts and everything like that, but like, you know, the reality of a township, we need people to see that. And the only thing that people need is. Access to information and access to somebody that has done it and they can be able to literally pay it forward. Just call somebody by the hand and then they can do that. Because sometimes you can spend two years not finding a job, but at least you can sell cookies. And the nice thing about cookies is you can eat them today, you're gonna eat them again tomorrow.
Bobby: Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. I, I think, I think, I mean, what you shared with us is absolutely inspirational.
Rhulani: Thank you.
Bobby: And I think for the youth, um. It's, it's, it's something - wow. And we need to get you guys to speak and share your story. And hopefully that's what the object of this podcast is to share your story.
Rhulani: Yes.
Bobby: Um, I had an experience the other day, I was just checking out at the, um, at Woolies and you know, they always say, do you want a bag or not? And so I said, I'd like one and this, this, uh, tiller or cashier. She was really great drinking up stuff. And then she had the bag and then she took all the stuff and she repacked it very, very well. She just took all the stuff out and I said to her, that's amazing. You are an expert bag packer. You've just got that. And she said, if you get your foundations right, you can do anything on them.
Rhulani: There you go.
Bobby: And I said to her that's amazing. I said, you should be in building. She said, my father was a builder and I used to work with him on weekends and we would do help with the mixing the concrete and doing, and it was amazing engagement I had with her. But that's not the point of the story. What comes outta that is the foundation. Yes. You get the foundation, right, you can set the world light. And what I've heard from you guys, you've got the most amazing story of your foundation, of how it's been set and how it's cracked and how it's been fixed up. And you already, beyond the floor level, now you're going on skyscraper mode. And that's, that's a, that's a, a fantastic story. So guys, I just think thank you so much for being with us.
Randzo: Thank you.
Bobby: It's been absolutely awesome. It's been a. I mean insightful, even for me, I mean, gray hair and all. I, I've learned so much from you. I'm so, I'm excited now about so many more things, I think. But maybe handing over to you, Rehema.
Rehema: Thank you. Thank you. I think listening in, one can only say your story hasn't even started. It is so powerful. And the things that resonate for me is you starting off with the fact that we've got delicious vanilla biscuits. Yes. And I think that as an entrepreneur. Starting off with the fact that you got a product. I do like the fact that you bring in the fact of where you are from. It started from needs, and it goes back to that. And, and what you provide is, is a sense of hope and aspiration. Yeah. Because what you're saying is that I have a biscuit. I make it very well, it's started off in the township. It's global appeal. Yes. And that is something that allows people to sit back and say, what do I have here and now? And a key thing that you've been repeating today is the ability to start and start again. And to keep starting and the difference start stops and the different 20 moves. I give your mother so much praise for keeping you together. Um, it's a lot. It's a lot. It can come with trauma. So you can either stay in the narrative of trauma or build a narrative of possibility. So the entrepreneurial journey, they say. Starts with the need, and then it goes onto the lifestyle and then it moves onto to the scale. And it's beautiful to see a narrative that has transcended and has passed it on the work ethos from your mom, the dream and possibility of the talent and skill that's in the hands. The gift of food. Yes. Thank you. What a great place.
Bobby: Okay. So just in finishing, we've got, um, you, you did bring up the ups and downs of life. It's, it's seasons that we all follow. Yes. Um. Tree's all lose their leaves in winter and they come back. The tide goes out tide comes back in. So what we've got, if you look behind you, is a tree, which is our tree of life, and it's going to be, um, and again, my little friend chat, GPT, I want read to you what our tree is all about. If I can get my little phone to work.
Rehema: Yeah. Like what were you doing five years ago without ChatGPT?
Bobby: I was making this stuff up.It's now on chatGPT.
Rhulani and Randzo: Yes. Okay.
Bobby: So. The Tree of Life is a sacred map of interconnectedness. Its roots. Plunge deep into the soil of your ancestors while its branches stretch into the heavens, connecting you to spirit. It speaks of wholeness. Vitality in the cycles of renewal. And I think that's beautiful and it's kind of what we've heard from you. We've heard from the roots to reaching up into the heavens. But our Tree of Life, because this is our inaugural podcast. We inviting each of our guests to dip their thumb into some ink and create leaves for our tree. So we are gonna do that now quickly. Oh, nice.
Rhulani: You guys, I'm just so happy that we're the first ones.
Bobby: Yes, you're the first ones and you're gonna be the first leaves on our tree.
Randzo: Ah, that is so cool.
Rhulani: I always say that about mom. I told her that you're the tree and then you need to branch out and be different branches. Oh my God.
Bobby: When your mom comes back, we are gonna want, she needs to come to come.
Rehema: She's gonna have to put a fingerprint.
Rhulani: Thank you. Oh, thank you. This is so cool.
Bobby: Okay, so can I, who's going to dip the, I'm gonna leave you guys to this.
Rhulani: We’ll start with the starter.
Bobby: Will you take, will you take the pad and just dip your thumb into it and then choose a spot finger, whatever you feel.
Randzo: Oh my gosh. I'll try. Hey, this one's too big. Okay. Oh girl, let's put you there. Okay.
Rhulani: Wow.
Rehema: Oh, that's very pretty.
Bobby: That's awesome.
Randzo: Thank you. Okay. Oh, this is so cool you guys.
Bobby: There we go. Thank you.
Rhulani: Sho this is so cool.
Randzo: This is so cool. You want to be close, close to me.
Rhulani: Oh, I'm gonna be close to you. You want me to be close to you.
Randzo: Anywhere, anywhere my sissy.
Rhulani: I'm gonna
Rehema: Do you guys ever fight?
Randzo: We do.
Rhulani: Uh, we do.
Rehema: Okay.
Rhulani: It's about business mostly.
Bobby: Please put your thumb.
Rehema: I think she is looking for the perfect angle.
Rhulani: I'm looking for the, yeah, we go. Thank you.
Bobby: And I think, Rehema, you need to put your finger on there. Put my finger on there. And it's my favorite color. Yes. It's red.
Rhulani: I can see, you know, you know.
Rehema: This is so, so cool. I'm also gonna be one of those who wants to put it somewhere scientific, symbolic, significant.
Bobby: Yes. Go with the feeling.
Rehema: I am gonna put it here. Look at that.
Randzo: Oh, that's nice. This is so cool.
Rehema: Oh, and time for you to put your finger.
Bobby: Yes. I gotta, um, reaching for the heavens.
Rehema, Rhulani and Randzo: Yay. Yay.
Randzo: Amazing. Thank you so much.
Bobby: Guys, I just have to finish this. You guys just have to give you like an energy hug. Thank you so much for being on the show. That's been absolutely amazing.
Rehema: It feels like we've got so many more conversations.
Rhulani: Thank you so much.
Rehema: Yeah, I think so. It's like there's a part two, right? We have just gotten started and it like, we just got the energy going.
Rhulani: Thank you.
Bobby: Like awesome. Thanks guys. And that's us. That us. It's a wrap.
Rehema: Can we eat your biscuits now, girl? You know, I was waiting for the lipstick. I, I was like, I want a biscuit, but I dont to mess with the lipstick.